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Added ability to set activity limits in Groups
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Added ability to set activity limits in Groups We found that many group moderators wanted their group members to participate or leave (they would manually have to delete members who joined if they didn't post/etc). We added a way for the moderator to set the activity limits automatically (we simply move people to "associate" members if they don't meet the activity requirements). Group moderators set these in the group settings. |
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This may even encourage more interaction in the groups on the site. I think I am in five groups but am only active in two.
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3/30/2006 11:49 pm |
I'm sure that the moderaters will love that one. Most of the groups that I have ever been involved with on this site have activity requirements. I think that this is fine cause I've seen way too many members just set idle and never participate. What's the point of being part of a group if you aren't going to participate?
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Excellent idea Andrew, I like it very much and it makes a serious moderator job easier!!! But there is one thing that is going on in groups that have several group members complaining, and that is the Time Stamping of threads to the recent posting in the Topic of discussion. The members prefered the way it was done by Date and not by Time. Thank You for all your hard work on improving the enjoyment in the Blog and Group sections and to the programmers of your staff too. Nick
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Banned posters... i am told i have 4 people i banned. now where this might be true i only recall banning two. how do i see whom i've banned? can i un-ban someone?
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3/31/2006 5:27 am |
Ok. this is a diff request, that the smileys be put on the main thread/post facility. As they are already available in the chat room and blogs, it should be available in all discusion formats. The written word is pretty hard to put emotions ect. across and anything that can help to avoid missunderstandings has to be a help.  Brian.
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3/31/2006 7:36 am |
yeah, i get an error message too, when i try to put in those settings about activity, it says one or more fields contains invalid characters. also people dont like the new 'updated' posts thingo. it is set to say what date the post was created instead of when it was last updated. now it is harder to tell when a post was last posted too. I think it is better to list by active posts rather than when it was created.
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I'm from LovelyLady's nightsift group. Are these updates the reason why my status on her group just went from ... well, from normal to "Pending" (in red letters)??? Though i have posted within the past 2 months. Actually I believe I posted a few times last week. Unless remaining active requires starting an original post.
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Nevermind my last post *blush* It's been explained to me 
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3/31/2006 4:32 pm |
another thing I wanted to mention is once a post has gone into the archives, if you post to it, it will only sometimes come back up to the groups front page. Its kind of a 'toss up' as to whether its going to come out of the archives if its already been in there. One suggestion for the 'updated' posts date thing....maybe you could give a 'sort by' with a drop down list with different options in the 'edit group settings' so that the moderators can choose how they want their groups posts to be listed, that will solve the problem of some moderators wanting them to be listed this or that way. The only complaint I would have is sometimes (and only about 50% of the time) the posts/replies still take hours or half a day at times to show up, alot of the times it will take around 6-8 hours to show up. why do they show up so quickly in the blogs and yet take so long in the groups? This does slow down activity in the groups, because there is no new replies to reply to, thats the only reason why alot of people complain about it. Thanks for all the work thats been done.
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3/31/2006 4:39 pm |
I can tell you how they get around it. all they have to do is unjoin and rejoin again and the ban is off of them until the moderator hits ban again. The problem with that actually is, for alot of mods with large groups (over 1000 members) is finding that member in their 'view all members' page to ban them, if you have a group kind of like mine..where there are 2,366 members then you have to go through 24 pages of members with 100 per page to find them first....
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3/31/2006 6:08 pm |
Sugestion:- the groups are run by the mods and its all down to there hard work, so i'm all in favour of giving them the tools to make there efforts as effective as possible. idea - give the mods a section of say 5 threads that they have control over where they can choose what threads they want on there front page. (joining, joke, information etc.) 
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I like the idea of "activity requirements." I don't like the idea of banning members from my group, although I did ban 3 or 4 who haven't even been on Local Date since last year. FINE AS WINE IN 2009! SWSunset64
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3/31/2006 9:44 pm |
this isnt about the blogs or groups, but I keep hearing all over Local Date several times a day that guys are getting tons of emails from women to join other sites. Is this problem being fixed for the guys?
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Andrew, I believe FALLMOON9 concern is to members that join groups to only using the Group Chat Room but do not have the intentions to being an active posting member in the discussion threads. Many members are "invading" the Group Chat Rooms in thinking that they are the same as the Open Chat Rooms on the Chat Home Page and this is where we moderators and members of groups are having a problem since many of those members are not following the guide lines of the group descriptions the moderator created. This is a suggestion that can maybe be of help in several aspects of concerns to groups. When a new member clicks on "Join this Group" have it directly link to "Post Message" for new member to post an introduction of themselves to the Group. If a new member fails to submit the "Post Message" they are denied access to joining the Group, posting in the Group or using the Group Chat Room designated to only members of a Group. This idea I came up with to solve three problems, ideas and request of Moderators (such as one of FALLMOON9 and others in concern to Group Chat Rooms). It will cut down on abusive members from joining and leaving a Group to cause disturbances with members of Groups , it will avoid members that join a Group to only using the Chat Rooms that can and does interfere with the Group members that use the Chat Rooms designated to only being for Group members , and will help Moderators from having to spend time banning members from Groups for lack of even posting once in a Group and help produce more serious activity by members that join Groups; in addition you may consider maybe even allow a small pop-up window after a new member post their introduction (first topic posting) with an optional welcome message by the Moderator welcoming the new member to their Group. I love the idea of time limiting the members of groups with the postings that can/will produce more activity by members joining them; however, why only solve one issue that is of concerns to the Moderators and Members of groups, when you can solve 3 or more issues and concerns in basically one simplified scripting of codes. From my experience in programming, the more you add separately, the more chances of there being bugs in the codes and causing more difficulty in finding (debugging) them.
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1 more thing... Alphabetizing that banned list would be wonderful.. I have 700 banned members right now... when they come and join again 2 months later.. Its hard for me to go through my notes and be sure if they are there.. WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED KISSES
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To all the 'team' members that are working to improve the group section of this site a BIG THANK YOU! As Moderator of two very active groups I have to say the change to the groups posting the threads by time/date vs. most active is very frustrating to my members. In my group Younger Women for Older Men ((which is #1 on this site))I state in the rules "we are not the local Local Date bulletin board'. So this 'new' features has made my job imposable. It has made our group page all ads. and I spend enough time deleting em as it is to keep the active threads on the front page. Therefore it would greatly be appreciated by the members if we could go back to the threads being sorted by activity. I do have a suggestion I have past on to customer service..... It would make it so much easier for the Moderators to have access to the ban button under the members picture in all postings. To go though 700 some pages of members to ban one abusive one is not possible in large groups due to the number of members. the only other suggestion is it would be a great help if the site could 'clean house' of all the inactive/old/non-existing profiles in the groups. We in the active groups thank you and your team for taking the time to listen to the members of your site and working to continue making the groups a wonderful place to escape to. Sparkly Kisses for a great site that so many of us enjoy and for the wonderful friends we all have made though it! Splashes ~~mer
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4/1/2006 9:30 am |
Forget the bells and buzzers for a moment. I for one am quite unwelcomed all over this site for many reasons. And just to avoid a bunch of crap lets just say there are many people that see this site as being completely different things. I see it as entertainment nothing more and nothing less. Where as some see it as a place to spill all their emotional baggage. The name itself implies it's aplace to meet likeminded individuals for various levels of friendships. One can already do various activities here such as post nude photos, cam, talk dirty, ect. But all to often people that don't perfer certain activities themselves verbally attack others that do these things, say like nude photos, there is groups here that don't want them. Which in it self is fine, but you have a link here where these folks can shut them off. Yet these mods or members still take it upon theirselves to hostilely attack the folks that do have them. Another example is multiple profiles which many although they have them theirselves say that their not allowed. I have to many times to list, gotten into it with fellow members here over these basic differences in opinions. Which don't really bother me none I enjoy a good ol' fashion argument just as much as sexy chat or fun banter. But what I'm getting at is what exactly from the horses mouth is A.F.F about? I've read the Local Date story and everything else you have posted about this site. I feel that these "suggestions" are helpful, but I also feel they will only keep coming til everyone knows exactly what this site is meant to be about, told by it's founder. After all we're merely members here. This site is your vision and only you know what it's purpose is. Coming from you it can not be disputed. Personally I feel the mod tools available are fine except for periodical glitches and misuse by the mods. Now two main issues I see wrong with this site is free members and folks that start groups for a free private chat room. My suggestion would be offer a 7 day free membership then charge like 10 bucks for standard membership. And then charge to start ones own group Like 10 bucks. Think about it the ones here complaining about other members wouldn't be complaining as much because most problem members are free members and in the groups there are so many that are dead because their simple to start and more simple to forget about and leave clogging your servers. By doing this people have an investment in both these issues and that makes people behave more responsibly. I've also noticed that like on yahoo groups folks that want to jion a group have to apply to the moderator before joining. If this were to be put into place then the mods have no one to blame but themselves when problem members show up. It's simple, got a problem ban it, it comes back delete it's writings and report it. This isn't rocket science and the staff seems to have their hands full just getting this site to run right with out over burdening them with whiny ass complaints that their not good enough. Lets not forget the issue here is MODERATION not GLUTTONY. Thanks for your time.
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Hi SSL, what if there was a way to having a post in a group that can be tagged that would be linked to the "Join this Group" button. Example, some groups have a thread for all new members to post their introduction in. When a new member clicks on "Join this Group" the group introduction thread would be first to come up, and then the new member would not be posting a "new topic", but yet in the group new member Topic thread instead. Maybe even a pre-formated intro thread could be added by the programmers and locked as the #1 thread without expiring and falling off the group description home page of current topic of discussions. It is possible to being done if the discussion topics in groups where to have the Link to a posting as done in the Blogs. How can it be done? 1- Allowing Topics in groups to being linked as done in the Blog postings. 2- Adding 2 option radio buttons (Radio buttons only allow one options to being chosen, check boxes tend to allow multiple choices being selected) 3- A little script writing for directing or redirecting the "Join this Group" button to the designated URL for posting based upon the Moderators choosing. Moderator Group Settings could have the option added to it as below. Default= When new member clicks on "Join this Group", bring up "New Topic Posting" (gr=Group) Moderator Option= When new member joins this group, redirect "New Topic Posting" to [Grpost 00000] New Member Introduction for Group (Gr=Group) "Where there is a will, there is a way to making things work for all to be satisfied" Nick
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4/1/2006 10:04 am |
Hello there, I think it's a great idea. I have a group here of my own. I allow a member to sit for 2wks if they don't post I email them. Then if still nothing I ban them. I'm glad to see that you are willing to work with the group moderators here and try to make things easier. I appreciate being allowed this feature it will make things alot easier. I also think that a moderator of a group should be able to accept members in their groups. I have noticed after 25members that not all the members show on the members list. I have new members that join and unless they post I have no idea who they are. I can't even ban them without being able to see them. I wish there was some way that the moderator was notified of new members joining or other members leaving the group. I also wish there was some way of being notified of members that have viewed your group. That way I can send an email of open invitation for them to join. I personally think that allthough this site has many clitches in the system it can be a great place. I have many other suggestions for this site but I don't feel that they are appropriate to mention in this blog post. I think alot of moderators have the wrong view of what this site should be used for. I think that they undermine this sites rules to make their own. Please feel free to email me if you would like to hear more of what I am speaking about. Thanks! ~Queen~
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To all the 'team' members that are working to improve the group section of this site a BIG THANK YOU! As Moderator of two very active groups I have to say the change to the groups posting the threads by time/date vs. most active is very frustrating to my members. In my group Younger Women for Older Men ((which is #1 on this site))I state in the rules "we are not the local Local Date bulletin board'. So this 'new' features has made my job imposable. It has made our group page all ads. and I spend enough time deleting em as it is to keep the active threads on the front page. Therefore it would greatly be appreciated by the members if we could go back to the threads being sorted by activity. I do have a suggestion I have past on to customer service..... It would make it so much easier for the Moderators to have access to the ban button under the members picture in all postings. To go though 700 some pages of members to ban one abusive one is not possible in large groups due to the number of members. the only other suggestion is it would be a great help if the site could 'clean house' of all the inactive/old/non-existing profiles in the groups. We in the active groups thank you and your team for taking the time to listen to the members of your site and working to continue making the groups a wonderful place to escape to. Sparkly Kisses for a great site that so many of us enjoy and for the wonderful friends we all have made though it! Splashes ~~mer To go though 700 some pages of members to ban one abusive one is not possible in large groups due to the number of members." I agree that would make a Moderator job a lot easier when finding a posting in a group that may cause a moderator to choose to ban a member from a group instead of searching for the member in the group member listing pages. A member handle search would be so beneficial to having for the Group members Listing pages and Banned member Listing pages. "the only other suggestion is it would be a great help if the site could 'clean house' of all the inactive/old/non-existing profiles in the groups." This one I question for two reasons. "Inactive" and "Old" One- Who decides on whether a member is "Inactive" enough to delete their accounts? Reason I ask is that I have and had several members not being active in my group or even active at all with logging in to the site for several months. None of us know what actually transpires in another person\persons life that can prevent them from being active on the site. They could have had an accident and been hospitalized, a death in the family, a relationship that they thought was going to work out and didn't or anything. Two- "Old" profiles??? I been a member of this site for close to 7 years now, does that mean that my profile should be deleted because I have an "Old" profile and I am an "Old" member of this site? There are many "Old" members on this site that have contributed to this site in many ways (many ideas on improving this site came from "Old" experienced members over the years, and to arbitrarily start deleting their accounts for having an "Old" profile does not make one bit of sense to me and would consequently show the "Old" members that their contributions to this sight meant nothing. Nick
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4/1/2006 7:51 pm |
One thing I also wanted to say is....alot of moderators and people do what is called 'spamming' their threads (posting one or two words per line). They do this to get their groups to the top of 'most active groups' list and/or also to get their picture to the top of the 'most active posters' list too. This is really a bunch of nonsense to me, because it makes it look like your most active groups and posters are not exactly the most active. I mean anyone including kindergardeners could do that. Is there a way to stop that? Right now, in order to post you have to post at least 10 characters per post, otherwise it will give you an error message, maybe it should be more like 50 characters per post, or similar to your new change to the blogs most active.....to be ranked by unique responses.
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One thing I also wanted to say is....alot of moderators and people do what is called 'spamming' their threads (posting one or two words per line). They do this to get their groups to the top of 'most active groups' list and/or also to get their picture to the top of the 'most active posters' list too. This is really a bunch of nonsense to me, because it makes it look like your most active groups and posters are not exactly the most active. I mean anyone including kindergardeners could do that. Is there a way to stop that? Right now, in order to post you have to post at least 10 characters per post, otherwise it will give you an error message, maybe it should be more like 50 characters per post, or similar to your new change to the blogs most active.....to be ranked by unique responses. In my and many other Moderators and Members of Groups opinions the "Spam Postings" in several groups are starting to devaluate and are undermining the group intentions of what they where designed for of members having "Discussions" and not for members to being in "Competition" or a "Race" to the top. Consequently, there are many members that are not happy with the way the mathematical system is designed and used for the "Most Active last 30 days, with photos" posting members or used to calculate the "Most Active Groups" in the listing. In the opinion of many members and Moderators of Groups, this mathematical system is being abused by some members and Groups with "Spam Postings". I can even point you to at least 4 groups in the Active Group Listings that Moderators and Members are and have been "Spam posting" ( even titled with "Spam" ) their ways to being listed in the Active Group Listings in threads in order to only increase their posting counts to push themselves into the Most Active posting member slots or push their Group up the Most active Group listings; furthermore, although this type of spam posting may be fun for some members it is and has become a competition that can, will and has caused group to group conflicts or member to member conflicts, also many members believe that this type of postings is devaluating the purpose of groups and has become selfishness of some members being on the front page as "Most Active last 30 days, with photo" member. Out of the 6 "Most Active last 30 days, with photo" members shown on the Groups Home Page 4 to 5 members have been on the front page of groups under that listing for several months, and it is from the example below of spam postings done in group threads. Example of spam posting done in Groups in topic threads (some are titled as a spam thread and spam posting is done consecutively with either one word posting and broken sentences). Post1- Hi Andrew Post2- My name is. Post3- Nick. I am from Post4- The state of Georgia Post5- [b]and[/b] (use of font tag commands in order to work around the one word posting that are not allowed to being done) Post6- I hope that us Group Post7- Members and Moderators of Groups ideas, opinions, and suggestions are of help to... (to continue with next consecutive post) Use total "Discussion" (Topic) postings for calculating the active Groups. This is what is on the Groups home page currently Groups= 71,924, Members= 928,882, "Discussions"= 2,290,943 Groups are described and promoted by how many Groups, how many Members belong to Groups and how many "Discussions" (Topics) have been posted in Groups , not by how many Total Postings done by members of Groups. Maybe consider a randomized display of the top 40 posting members every 30 seconds to 1 minute ( same as done on the site Home Page of "Who's Online Now" ) or rate them on the number of "Discussion" topic postings instead of the total posting counts. This may help in reducing the posting lags and allow other members to being noticed on the front page of Groups by other members. I believe and many others believe that is one of the main objectives of the site is for members to notice other members or to be noticed by other members; not for being in competition or in a race with being #1 with postings in groups.
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Hello...Glad I found this blog area to air my concerns. I am the moderator of Asian Inspiration for Couples group in the Pacific NW. Problem #1. I know the moderator of Bellingham Meet and Greet group brought up the problem of the cross postings from my group to his group. I have been lucky in the sense that my group has not received any cross postings..however..it is a bit embarrassing that some party plans in my group are heavily read in the Bellingham M/G group. I know Gary tried to delete the thread but was unable to. I did post in my group about the problem, just to alert them..and that post also cross posted to Gary's group (which I am a member of also). I have deleted a post, and that deleted the entire post from both groups..and I had to email the author about the problem. Since so many people have posted to the other cross posting, I have left it alone for now. Problem #2. Another strange thing is that under some threads it will have "19" replies, yet there are only 12. The numbers change, however there are always the say replies as the day before, unless I added a reply, then it's there a day later. Can you tell me why this is? Are people outside of my group posting and it just isn't showing? I can't figure it out. Regarding the new moderator time adjustment controls? Well I have not used them yet..I didn't even know about them until I went into the For Serious Minded Moderators group I belong to also (which by the way, you should visit to see all the practical information that gets around!). I guess I should be prepared to have a smaller group than I already have. I have 17 members at the moment...and only half of them ever post a thing...but they are all such cute members, I didn't have the heart to ban quite yet. lol Regarding old threads...I don't actually see the point in keeping threads around that don't get responses, are not pertinent anymore (hey I'm new...but was back in 2004), old party information...I actually don't understand why the mods don't delete them instead of argue why they need to stay on such and such a page. Maybe because my group is so small I don't understand the mass threads created by huge numbers of members...but if the thread is legitimately old...let it go. Anyways, thanks so much for hearing my problems...I really hope you can address them. BTW, I am a gold member and have been since early in my membership..and advocate for paid membership for entertainment purposes. I actually think that the free members should have more restrictions on them than they do. At this time they mainly can't view profiles at will, but they can join groups and chat rooms...I think it may be a valuable thing to limit the # of groups that they can join (like #1 only) and that they may only be in the chat room for 30 min a pop every 24 hours. This would help clean up the site in ways that may make the paid members feel like they are actually getting thier money's worth. Marlene
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All group have there own unique way their group runs. Members join that group based on it. How can some other mods. of a different group say HOW and WHAT another group should do or not do. If you don't like how another group or it members are enjoying them selves in their own group...so fucking what. Don't read it! To each there own... last time I looked freedom of speech way still on the Constitution. In closing to all those Mods. that like to bitch and moan about what the OTHER groups and the members in them are doing .........Maybe if you spent more time on your own group you would have LESS to bitch about others....grow up! Sorry To the CEO and the 'team' that is working on the groups we really appreciate you...but Lots of us paying members are so sick and tired of the 'serious moderators' group thinking they run this site and are the Local Date cops. Gezzzzz one would think they where on your payroll or something LMAO
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"It would make it so much easier for the Moderators to have access to the ban button under the members picture in all postings. To go though 700 some pages of members to ban one abusive one is not possible in large groups due to the number of members." I agree that would make a Moderator job a lot easier when finding a posting in a group that may cause a moderator to choose to ban a member from a group instead of searching for the member in the group member listing pages. A member handle search would be so beneficial to having for the Group members Listing pages and Banned member Listing pages. "the only other suggestion is it would be a great help if the site could 'clean house' of all the inactive/old/non-existing profiles in the groups." This one I question for two reasons. "Inactive" and "Old" One- Who decides on whether a member is "Inactive" enough to delete their accounts? Reason I ask is that I have and had several members not being active in my group or even active at all with logging in to the site for several months. None of us know what actually transpires in another person\persons life that can prevent them from being active on the site. They could have had an accident and been hospitalized, a death in the family, a relationship that they thought was going to work out and didn't or anything. Two- "Old" profiles??? I been a member of this site for close to 7 years now, does that mean that my profile should be deleted because I have an "Old" profile and I am an "Old" member of this site? There are many "Old" members on this site that have contributed to this site in many ways (many ideas on improving this site came from "Old" experienced members over the years, and to arbitrarily start deleting their accounts for having an "Old" profile does not make one bit of sense to me and would consequently show the "Old" members that their contributions to this sight meant nothing. Nick Please let Andrew answer the suggestions.....there is no debate here. Step off your Local Date cop box and just sit back and let the CEO use this Blog for what it was intended for. Unless..... you think you are and can do a BETTER JOB.
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NICK please !!!! Please let Andrew answer the suggestions.....there is no debate here. Step off your Local Date cop box and just sit back and let the CEO use this Blog for what it was intended for. Unless..... you think you are and can do a BETTER JOB. I was giving support to one of their ideas, while I disagreed with the second suggestion made by them; in addition, it seems the member also was offended by the suggestion by the way they posted in response to other members with out naming them with use of insults and profanity when mention of "Spam" postings in Groups was brought up by another member and the reasons behind "Spam" postings being made in certain Groups. I merely gave an opinion with ideas and suggestions on concerns to "Spam" postings and did not insult any member that uses or allows "Spam" posting being done. I was not "Debating" with this member idea that I disagreed with, and I gave an explanation of my disagreement on that suggestion for it to be known to Andrew ( CEO ) in regards to that suggestion of deleting "Old" members profiles and in concern to members that go inactive on the site for a few months for various reasons and many do return. This Blog here of the CEO with my interpretation and understanding is for members to voice out their opinions, suggestions on ideas for improvements for the Blog Sections and Groups with discussions and for Andrew ( CEO ) to hear (read) the feedback by the members of the areas of concerns to those suggestions and ideas through the members discussions. What I offer here is my Experience and Knowledge as a Moderator (I stepped down temporarily as Moderator of my primary Group "The Likeminded Ones" that I created Feb. 2005 to offer ideas, suggestions, opinions on improvements) and as a Member of several Groups over a years time, the same like so many others are here for; in addition, I offer my programming knowledge as well in concerns to improvements of these areas in hopes that it can help and be of benefit to the majority of members enjoyment of these areas and to also being of benefit for the Staff and CEO as well. Nick
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4/2/2006 1:26 pm |
hello im BROC817 and i moderate OHIO'S most active group Looking For Friendships!!! and man you got your damn hands full here MR. luvpump !!! the permenant banning of undesirable members would be great.... but also lets start with maybe letting us use html that have u-r-l-'s / h-t-t-p-: attached....that way we could use grafics and video players and maybe have personalized slide shows....the more things are personel the more time people will want to spend on your site....alot of these moderators are very serious with there groups and would like our online friends / family to have a very good time here.... well thanks for the space to let opinions and ideas be heard !!!
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4/2/2006 1:59 pm |
simple solutions to the most active / spam problem could be {list more then just the top 15 groups....maybe list a few rows og group names....i like to think my group earned its free advertisement in the most active list....we never had a spam thread....but every group is different and thats why there unique....but also my group shouldnt be knocked off that list for a few thousand / two or three word post..... and as far as the h-t-t-p-: and u-r-l-'s i was speaking of in my earlier post : theres realy no use if we can use the outside of a post....example would be let us use them in our group desrictions....every group should be just as unique as the members in them.... i need not mention any sites name but im on one where i run a group and hearts fall from the top of the page....and its from using a marquee code and its got u-r-l and html tags.....every group on that site look so different.... i guess my groups real real question is , are these options going to ever be allowed on this site ??? just a simple " yes or no " is needed !!! the answer will determine if i continue to run OHIO'S most active group and if most of these members want to tolerate the blandness of the groups section....thank you again for your time !!!
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I think it would be great for the moderators to see who has been checking out the groups(the way you can see who has been checking out blogs). That way moderators know if the "inactive" members check out the group once in awhile even though they don't post. FINE AS WINE IN 2009! SWSunset64
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4/2/2006 3:42 pm |
All group have there own unique way their group runs. Members join that group based on it. How can some other mods. of a different group say HOW and WHAT another group should do or not do. If you don't like how another group or it members are enjoying them selves in their own group...so fucking what. Don't read it! To each there own... last time I looked freedom of speech way still on the Constitution. In closing to all those Mods. that like to bitch and moan about what the OTHER groups and the members in them are doing .........Maybe if you spent more time on your own group you would have LESS to bitch about others....grow up! Sorry To the CEO and the 'team' that is working on the groups we really appreciate you...but Lots of us paying members are so sick and tired of the 'serious moderators' group thinking they run this site and are the Local Date cops. Gezzzzz one would think they where on your payroll or something LMAO
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4/2/2006 5:51 pm |
I have a simple request. Can we make the View All page go back to the way that it was, so that when a new thread was submitted, it was at the top of the View All page, and everyone could know that there was something new, and it could deserve the attention that it deserved. As is now, the top item on the View All page is that which was the most recently updated. This is not fair to the new threads, which may not yet have received any postings, and, if there is enough activity in the other threads, that new thread could never be found. Thank you for listening.
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Hi SSL, no surprise to me sweetie  Yes you make a very valid point, but I would like for you to understand mine and the other members too. It is not that we other Moderators and Members are totally against the "Spam" postings as we are concern to the "Quality" that is projected from the Groups to the members and new members of the site; Groups are a "Representation" of this site as it is one of the features offered (marketed and promoted) to the members and new members. What many of us are seeing is a decline in the Quality by way of Quantity with the "Spam" postings used by some members and moderators for "selfish" reasons that revolve around a "competition" that should not be allowed that can/will and has caused conflicts amongst Members and Groups. If this mathematical system is not changed in some way the Groups will eventually be of no positive "Representation" of this site to the members and new members. You will have nothing more than a bunch of Groups and Members of Groups battling it out with "Spam" postings to being listed as #1 and furthermore will produce abusive behavior towards members and other groups. "Nip it in the bud" before it happens, because it is destined of happening (I personally give it 6 months) if something is not done; consequently, the Abuse Team Staff will be the ones to get all the backlashes from the complaints and reports of abusive behavior.. Now I took a look at the top 50 groups in the Active Group Listings and also looked at the amount of members of those groups. This is a break down of them by less that 100 members and greater. Groups with Less than 100 Members = 12, Groups Listed in the Top 15 Most Active Groups= 4. Groups with 100+ Members and Less than 1000 Members= 16, Groups Listed in Top 15 Most Active Groups= 5 Groups of 1000+ Members and Less than 10,000 Members= 16, Groups Listed in Top 15 Most Active Groups= 3 Groups of 10,000+ Members= 4, Groups Listed on the Top 15 Most Active Groups= 3 Looking at the total of postings in those groups compared to Posting numbers by averages this is how it comes out. Groups with less than 100 members= 185,305 Postings divided by number of groups in that bracket= 15,442 postings per group. Groups with greater than 100 members and less than 1000= 255,938 Postings divided by number of groups in that bracket= 15,996 posting per group Groups with greater than 1000 members and lesser than 10,000= 205,399 Postings divided by number of groups in that bracket= 12,837 posting per group Groups with greater than 10,000 members= 124,723 Postings divided by number of groups in that bracket= 31,181 Top 15 Most Active Groups that the Groups with less than 1000 members out number the Groups by almost 2 to 1 In the Top 50 listings the groups with less than 1000 members = 28 and Groups with more than 1000 members = 22. Again the smaller groups are out posting larger groups. Posting totals between groups lesser than 1000 = 441,243 and groups of 1000 plus Members = 330,122, and that is an over 110,000 posting difference. Every single calculations made here shows that the smaller groups outweigh the larger groups with total Postings. Now this table below go into further depth of the Top 15 Groups Listed, according to Approximate Creations of the Group, its Members, and Postings.
Now in my opinion and many other Moderator and Members of groups as well believe that "Quality" is far more important than "Quantity"; consequently, our opinions are based that Groups and all other forums are a "Representation" of the AdultFriendFinders site that is and should be used as marketing and promoting of the site to its members and newly joining members.
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4/3/2006 4:12 am |
Good day. As somebody who has been a member of and observer of many many groups, I consider myself qualified to make a few comments. There has been some very good suggestions in here. I dont have any objections to many of them. I really like the activity requirements tool that was recently given to moderators. I strongly suggest getting rid of the most active member and groups on the main group page. I dont care for the spamming, but at the same time, Texasmermaid has a good point. There are a few people on this site that are not happy unless they are flapping their face pushing their agenda. Nick puts down spamming, but at the same time, he had spamming threads in his group recently. He didnt call it spamming, but IT WAS SPAMMING and the people who participated in it were notorious for it on this site. Many of the local groups, with an active mod, in my opinion, are the best on the site. They may not have the amount of postings that these big groups have but people are meeting each other and that is what Local Date is about, not exchanging hot air. Steve
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4/3/2006 4:43 am |
I agree with Springs and SSL on this idea. Maybe like drinker56 suggested that Moderators could have control over a few threads that would stay on the main page? Babel
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4/3/2006 5:33 am |
I think that texasmermaid had a good idea with the adding a 'ban' button to the thread that the member either created or one's that the member reply to, with adding this feature a moderator would also have control over member(s) that 'joins' the group the group.... post a message and then click to 'un-join' the group so that the Moderator does not have a chance to ban them for an abusive post. Another thought that goes in line with Your1DreamLover's last comment about the groups being unbalanced, I think that it *might* be a good idea that if a group has over 500 or 1000 members (250 members would be even better) that the group is sorted into another listing... kind-of what was done in regards to the "Active Male Blogs"...... "I think there are 2 "types" of moderators - ones who want a tight, active group and ones who are free flowing. Both have good points." (quoting Andrew's reply) I do agree with you but with those '2 "types" of moderators' you also get 2 "types" of groups right? 2 different listings seems logical. On the group main page it seems that there is a bit or redundant information as well.. 1-Group location is linked on the page 4 times and there is the already "Get Local" link in the menu bar. 2-Topic is linked 3 times 3-Search is linked 2 times 4-Create a new group is linked 2 times If some of theses boxes were deleted then it would free up room on the page to have the separate listing that I made mention to in this comment. Another idea is having the 'slots' idea that is in the blogs also added into the group main page of the top 40 most active members, this would give a chance to other members to be noticed that ARE also active but not posting 2000-1800 posts in 30 days. I also believe that there should be a LIMIT to the amount of replies that one thread can receive, with a reply limit it would be difficult to keep 'spam' threads/groups alive... I personally think that a limit of 100 replies would be a good choice. I really like the new feature that you added to the groups and we have already implemented it in the group--The Likeminded Ones! We moderators would like to thank you for turning your attention to the groups and listening to our feedback in your blog, I know that it can be overwhelming to receive so much feedback but I personally find it refreshing that the CEO of this site is listening to it's members. Thanks again Andrew! Babel
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Good day. As somebody who has been a member of and observer of many many groups, I consider myself qualified to make a few comments. There has been some very good suggestions in here. I dont have any objections to many of them. I really like the activity requirements tool that was recently given to moderators. I strongly suggest getting rid of the most active member and groups on the main group page. I dont care for the spamming, but at the same time, Texasmermaid has a good point. There are a few people on this site that are not happy unless they are flapping their face pushing their agenda. Nick puts down spamming, but at the same time, he had spamming threads in his group recently. He didnt call it spamming, but IT WAS SPAMMING and the people who participated in it were notorious for it on this site. Many of the local groups, with an active mod, in my opinion, are the best on the site. They may not have the amount of postings that these big groups have but people are meeting each other and that is what Local Date is about, not exchanging hot air. Steve Yep, I won't deny that a few of the postings in The Likeminded Ones would resemble a "Spam" thread; however, if anyone really paid attention and read them completely they would see that they were a "Topical" posting and the postings within them were in fact complete sentences and on topic (the same done in many other groups). For instance, one posting recently in The Likeminded Ones went 11 pages that was titled "anything and everything about music.... MARCH PM!!!" PM was an abbreviation for Post Masters and was a challenge to the members (to produce activity of members and to what topics draw an interest) to bring up a Topic or game and see what member could produce the most responses to that Topic. The "Spam" postings that are being addressed of concerns by myself and other members are the ones that consist of broken sentences, use of one word with manipulating around the system with the font Tags, and have no topic to the posting other than "Spam" or "Spamming" our way to the top, etc... As I stated before "although this type of spam posting may be fun for some members it is and has become a competition that can, will and has caused group to group conflicts or member to member conflicts, also many members believe that this type of postings is devaluing the purpose of groups". In conclusion, I am not condoning any group or individuals that do "Spam" postings, I am merely suggesting a new mathematical system to be devised in order for other Groups and Members to being noticed and not overlooked (unselfish reasoning). Virtually every group has some sort of "Spamming" thread if you take in considerations that certain "Topics" (Discussions) draw many responses by the members when a member is posting in response to another member individually with quoting them. It is why I suggested the "Discussions" (Topic) postings to being used instead of the members total posting counts to determining the Active Groups listed or as "Most Active last 30 days, with photo members of Groups being displayed. Even my suggestion, there are flaws as SSL brought up.
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4/3/2006 12:10 pm |
I have a simple request. Can we make the View All page go back to the way that it was, so that when a new thread was submitted, it was at the top of the View All page, and everyone could know that there was something new, and it could deserve the attention that it deserved. As is now, the top item on the View All page is that which was the most recently updated. This is not fair to the new threads, which may not yet have received any postings, and, if there is enough activity in the other threads, that new thread could never be found. Thank you for listening. I can understand the reason why some people like the new style and I am sure as SpringsLuvr mentioned the old style is preferrable for the reasons she mentioned to others. I possible compormise could be to set the view all threads list in the same way as the view all members for the groups. USE SORTABLE CATEGORIES! If possible allow members to sort view all threads by clciking a link at the category head for "Date Created" OR "Date Last Updated" You could even add sortable categories for "Most Posts" (in a thread) or "Post Creator" IMHO As for members who spam in groups that allow spamming by moderator approval and under control by the moderator. Give it a break please. We did it as a fun way to compete for the top of the list for a while and now it has been discontinued (in Stripes and Dots). That's not to say that it won't be recontinued at another time. Just that as long as it's not being used to hijack threads or spam in groups where the moderator doesn't allow that sort of thing. Then it's up to the group and the mmoderator and I really don't see it as a vital concern of anyone else. As long as ToU is not being egggregiously violated, give it a break.
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simple solutions to the most active / spam problem could be {list more then just the top 15 groups....maybe list a few rows og group names....i like to think my group earned its free advertisement in the most active list....we never had a spam thread....but every group is different and thats why there unique....but also my group shouldnt be knocked off that list for a few thousand / two or three word post..... and as far as the h-t-t-p-: and u-r-l-'s i was speaking of in my earlier post : theres realy no use if we can use the outside of a post....example would be let us use them in our group desrictions....every group should be just as unique as the members in them.... i need not mention any sites name but im on one where i run a group and hearts fall from the top of the page....and its from using a marquee code and its got u-r-l and html tags.....every group on that site look so different.... i guess my groups real real question is , are these options going to ever be allowed on this site ??? just a simple " yes or no " is needed !!! the answer will determine if i continue to run OHIO'S most active group and if most of these members want to tolerate the blandness of the groups section....thank you again for your time !!! I believe Andrew did answered this about use of the traditional HTML and URL Linking as being of a tool that can be used in hacking in response to your first suggestions in another area of his Blog. This is very true Broc that linking to external sources can be of harm, not only to this site but to the members as well. Years ago the linking to other sites was used in the Lobby Chat Room (back then the chat rooms were not separated by geographical locations) and members were clicking on those links posted and being redirected to other sites (a hidden address) thinking they were going to view a member profile. Those links posted were not just redirecting members to pay per view porn sites, but also to sites designed by hackers that distributed viruses and worms to infect peoples computers and\or obtain personal information; some of those hackers were even able to intercept and edit a members posting for their own sick enjoyment in the chat rooms in order to cause disturbances between members that were having conversations. Within the OS of Windows 2000 and above there is a major flaw in its security environment of a certain port that cannot be shutdown while connected to the WWW; it is a reason why there are so many different types of Pop-Up blockers, Anti-Malware, Anti-Spyware, Anti-Virus, Firewalls, etc... of programs on the market today. Although it is not your intention or many other members that would use traditional html if permitted to cause any harm, but this site has millions of members on it and all it would take is just one that would cause harm. It is bad enough with the BOTS that roam the open Chat Rooms with advertisements, and who knows for sure what those site addresses they are posting (not linkable) would take a member to if they copied and pasted them in their browsers. So in essence it is logical of the denying of use of Traditional HTML; it is not just of benefit to the site, but to all members in my opinion (protecting of both parties). God only knows I am more comfortable with typing HTML Tag commands instead of the BBS Tag Commands to create tables and change my fonts, but hey, when it comes to my security of my personal information and my investment in my computer the extra effort is worth it and giving up a little for it. Nick
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Actually I kind of agree with Trillogy to a point and several others that suggest in scrapping the listings completely. Here is an idea: Instead of totally scrapping the Active Group Listings, how about if the listing of the top 100 active groups were to rotate each day or every few hours in a random order without the total number of postings being shown? That way no group would be in the same slot, and the same should apply to the Most Active Member of Groups with photo? That way no Group could be categorized as being the #1....#15 on front page of Groups and also the total posting numbers of a group is unknown; same should apply to the Most Active Member of Groups with photo. Reason for the total number of postings being unknown, it will eliminate the competition of being in "The Most Active Group" Listings that has developed in and between several Groups and for the Most Active Member of Groups with photo it will give the others in that listing of members recognition and to being noticed too. Maybe even consider having a separate random listing of the Top 100 "Topical Groups" and a random listing for the Top 100 "Local Groups"; in addition, a random listing for "Newly Created Groups" of the day. It is very difficult for newly formed groups to being noticed; consequently it is the reason there are so many "dead groups" and un-moderated groups. As Babel mentioned the Groups Home Page could be re-done and consolidated to create more space for listings of groups independently by category. Andrew, I know you most likely did not think this issue brought up would be a main focal point to several members, but I hope these discussions and opinions here that moderators and members of groups in concerns to the Active Group Listings and Member Listing are showing you why this has become an importance that some sort of resolve is needed to this concern. Promoting of Groups and Active Members is important, but rating them on a front page as being #1 etc... should not be used as you can most likely tell through these discussions. Nick
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I just thought I would let everyone know that if you are having an issue with cross posting, going in and updating your group activity stuff will update the html code for the page and thereby resolve the cross posting issue. Thanks!
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First time posting here. I firmly agree with those who believe that the photos in the "most active" should definitely be removed. They serve no purpose except to create more problems especially as stated in the spamming field. Trillogy is right, its like rewarding bad behavior. I have no clue why anyone thinks its some wonderful accomplishment to get there, but they apparently do. I fail to see what purpose it acutally serves in the first place to have them there, unless of course you just enjoy looking at yourself. If you look in the membership of the most active groups, you have the one group with over 7,000 members. Now lets be realistic, you can't honestly believe there are that many members there and that post often. If everyone of them posted the count would be WAY higher than it is. Consequently they really need to throw out the dead wood, and have an actual, factual, count. If the groups are going to be kept as most active, then it should be accurate. Taking that into account, when you have a group ANY group that runs spam threads, multiple spam threads at the same time, that escalate into the 1200 posts of one word per entry, page after page, guess what that does, it moves that group right up the line ahead of all the other groups, making it APPEAR that they are that active when they actually are NOT. I do not consider groups with 7 theads all spamming active. Consequently, as I said you have a false read on the MOST ACTIVE POSTS It is in my opinion a useless feature, and if eliminated, there would not be a REASON to run spam threads to get your group ahead of all the other groups who find it stupid and childish to do so, just to look like they are popular. Then if they want to run spam threads, that make no difference they are free to do so until their hearts content in their own group and it won't AFFECT anyone ELSE. I thank Nick, and you Mr. CEO, for the interest and the changes you are implementing. I find many of them quite useful and helpful as well. Lady
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4/3/2006 7:15 pm |
well NICK the point is im taking me and im very sure the majority of my members are leaving this site.....plain and simple this Local Date site cant keep up with a free site....and thats a big WoW to most people of my group....i have everyones e-mails and most have started a myspace account already...im not a skerd punk azz and will admit to my agenda around here....this site needs to quit play'n the b-s pretty game and open this site up or atleast a few hundred are leaving !!! now spam that a few hundred times and let the C.E.O answer my questions and not your NO POWER HAVING AZZ !!! if i asked you a question it would say your f..ck'n name.....
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4/3/2006 11:32 pm |
thank you so very much
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4/4/2006 6:13 am |
Or if they got rid of the most active group or posters part then maybe they could replace it with a section called 'recommended groups' where it will list recommended groups based on the groups that you are a part of already, by topic or location etc. and a new groups section would be nice too, to show which groups have been recently created and it could get more exposure like fallmoon said.
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LMAO at Broc Well thank gawd someone else is sick of this bull s*&t Too heres a sugestion why dont all of you bitching and moaning about me and my 'spam' kiss my azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz as broc would say.................LOL <<<<<------------- standing and waiting for kisses NOT Now excuse me while I go put my crown on and resume my postion as the Queen of what you call 'spam' (((kinda like taking my toys and leaving the sand box )))
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4/4/2006 12:31 pm |
well either way we all agree that changes are needed....and we seem to agree that speed of post and the banning of members is the key to the survival of these groups....disruptive people should be banned and stay banned....and its hard to corrospond with people here when post take hours to show up....everything else seems to just be a wish list for us !!! lets all see what happens !!! who knows maybe this site will become the great place to meet people like it should be....not the bottled up tention hole that it has been for 6 months now....
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4/5/2006 12:49 am |
I maybe wrong but i do believe this whole thing is a bag of hot air. there already is a feature to prevent everything everyone is whining about here. It's called a delete button. also in the group settings mods can put restrictions to block undesirables. And although it's a crappy easily side stepped feature we have the ban button. Oh yeah there's also an iggy button as well. So since all this isn't enough for some maybe Mr. andy will come to our groups and personally hold our hands for us as well. Mr. andy has provided ample tools to mod these groups I'ts nobodies fault but your own if you don't know how to use them properly and more tools aren't going to help. This site is already overloaded with stuff that don't work. Hey here's a fresh idea fix what's broke first then worry about new toys. At other sites I'm at I write my post click the post button and 30 seconds later round about the post shows up, here it has taken as much as 3 days for them to show if at all. and why in the world are photo restrictions so tight here at my other sites I visit your allowed to post any photo you like with in the law of the U.S. . I personally feel the two main problems with this site are 1. crappy technical support. and 2. to many roosters and not enough hens, by this I mean too many people want to have control over things here and not enough want to simply kick back and enjoy or let others enjoy themselves here. so tell me this was this below statement just a lie or what? The Local Date Story Local Date.com grew organically out of our FriendFinder dating site, back in 1996, when we noticed that some members wanted a more expressive forum for their sexuality. Recognizing that sexual needs and desires are natural human impulses, we avoided the shifty, back alley approach of many early adult sites. Instead, we modeled Local Date on the idea of a "clean, well- lighted place" where men, women, couples, gays, lesbians, TGs, can openly explore and safely expand their sexuality. At Local Date.com men speak freely, women let you know what they want, couples get right to business with swinging partners, and everyone's free to be naughty, brazen, forward, frank, fresh, sexy, in short, more fully themselves.
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Wow! Thanks for all the feedback. I will have one of our top project managers go through these and come up with some action plans.
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4/5/2006 2:09 pm |
The preview thing in the groups post was a great addition too, thanks, but is it possible to preview it with a gray background, that way you can see what it looks like on the gray background like the thread posts are in? either that or have the choice to preview with white or gray...?
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Wow! Thanks for all the feedback. I will have one of our top project managers go through these and come up with some action plans. Thank you very much for listening to all of us in concerns to the activity of Groups. Nick
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4/6/2006 4:33 pm |
This is something I totally agree with and many other Members and Moderators too in concerns to "Spam Posting" in groups. In my and many other Moderators and Members of Groups opinions the "Spam Postings" in several groups are starting to devaluate and are undermining the group intentions of what they where designed for of members having "Discussions" and not for members to being in "Competition" or a "Race" to the top. Consequently, there are many members that are not happy with the way the mathematical system is designed and used for the "Most Active last 30 days, with photos" posting members or used to calculate the "Most Active Groups" in the listing. In the opinion of many members and Moderators of Groups, this mathematical system is being abused by some members and Groups with "Spam Postings". I can even point you to at least 4 groups in the Active Group Listings that Moderators and Members are and have been "Spam posting" ( even titled with "Spam" ) their ways to being listed in the Active Group Listings in threads in order to only increase their posting counts to push themselves into the Most Active posting member slots or push their Group up the Most active Group listings; furthermore, although this type of spam posting may be fun for some members it is and has become a competition that can, will and has caused group to group conflicts or member to member conflicts, also many members believe that this type of postings is devaluating the purpose of groups and has become selfishness of some members being on the front page as "Most Active last 30 days, with photo" member. Out of the 6 "Most Active last 30 days, with photo" members shown on the Groups Home Page 4 to 5 members have been on the front page of groups under that listing for several months, and it is from the example below of spam postings done in group threads. Example of spam posting done in Groups in topic threads (some are titled as a spam thread and spam posting is done consecutively with either one word posting and broken sentences). Post1- Hi Andrew Post2- My name is. Post3- Nick. I am from Post4- The state of Georgia Post5- [b]and[/b] (use of font tag commands in order to work around the one word posting that are not allowed to being done) Post6- I hope that us Group Post7- Members and Moderators of Groups ideas, opinions, and suggestions are of help to... (to continue with next consecutive post) Use total "Discussion" (Topic) postings for calculating the active Groups. This is what is on the Groups home page currently Groups= 71,924, Members= 928,882, "Discussions"= 2,290,943 Groups are described and promoted by how many Groups, how many Members belong to Groups and how many "Discussions" (Topics) have been posted in Groups , not by how many Total Postings done by members of Groups. Maybe consider a randomized display of the top 40 posting members every 30 seconds to 1 minute ( same as done on the site Home Page of "Who's Online Now" ) or rate them on the number of "Discussion" topic postings instead of the total posting counts. This may help in reducing the posting lags and allow other members to being noticed on the front page of Groups by other members. I believe and many others believe that is one of the main objectives of the site is for members to notice other members or to be noticed by other members; not for being in competition or in a race with being #1 with postings in groups. You got at least 3 people in your likeminded group that are guilty of spamming in different groups and their faces are on the group home page. They are among the top 5. A moderator who goes around the magazine, this blog, and the serious moderator group preaching about spamming would cut people who spam from their group. It doesnt matter to me that they are spamming in other groups. I want to thank the CEO for opening his blog to feedback on many issues. I still say the majority of the "top" groups are full of people who exchange hot air. A good local group with an active mod beats any of them. Steve
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Steve, Every moderator of a group has their own way and fairness when it concerns their group members. I have no rights in my opinion and beliefs to "judge" any members of my groups on their conduct or activities in any other group than my own groups; consequently, why should I ban members from my groups based upon their conduct in other groups when they follow the description within my groups? Each group offers a different "flavor" to the members; furthermore, the personality that members show are different from group to group depending upon the independent "Group Description" that they belong too. Now does it occur to you or anyone else that what I proposed and several other independent moderators have proposed in regards to the "Most Active Group" Listings or Most Active Member of Groups with photo" listings will effect all groups, including the group I stepped down from temporarily? "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." You can judge me up one side and down the other Steve and/or my groups as you have done ever since our paths have crossed on this site. Simple fact is that I want and many others want to see improvements that will be of benefit of all groups and will help also with getting other groups noticed before they become "dieing or dead groups" and to be of benefit to all members and unto this site. I have seen members of other groups have in one single thread as many as 70+ consecutive One word postings done within a 30 minute time period; Consequently, that has got to have some sort of an effect on the "infrastructure of this site. Furthermore, some may want to read the TOU of this site in section 5. Content Posted on the Site/CDA part F. Many members including the members that partake in the spamming threads keep complaining about the post lags; yet I do believe that the majority of that answer is right in our own very faces. This is the definition of "Infrastructure" for those that are not familiar with the word and that relates to information technology and on the Internet. Definition of Infrastructure: In information technology and on the Internet, infrastructure is the physical hardware used to interconnect computers and users. Infrastructure includes the transmission media, including telephone lines, cable television lines, and satellites and antennas, and also the routers, aggregators, repeaters, and other devices that control transmission paths. Infrastructure also includes the software used to send, receive, and manage the signals that are transmitted. In some usages, infrastructure refers to interconnecting hardware and software and not to computers and other devices that are interconnected. However, to some information technology users, infrastructure is viewed as everything that supports the flow and processing of information. Infrastructure companies play a significant part in evolving the Internet, both in terms of where the interrconnections are placed and made accessible and in terms of how much information can be carried how quickly. end Now Steve, what do you suggest on improving upon Groups? So far I have not seen one single suggestion here made by you, but yet you are so easy to criticize others that are making suggestions, even unselfish suggestions at that and knowing that they are aware it will effect their own groups too. Unless you are going to make any suggestions that concerns my membership, being a member and moderator of groups, I will not respond to you any further; simply because this is not the Rant and Rave section and is irrelevant to this. Nick These were sent in before this Blog was posted by the CEO on 3-27-06 and have been observed. Below is 24 ideas and suggestions for improving upon Groups that I been compiling over a one year period of time that not only comes from my ideas and suggestions, but from many members and Moderators of groups that have held discussions from the past and present. Group Members and Moderators suggestions. 1-Allow members to be able to choose from their profile or network album an alternative photo for independent Groups they belong too, or an option of turning off their photo from being displayed in certain Groups. Many Groups do not allow members to join them if displaying nude photos, photos engaging in sex or masturbation. 2-Allow the animated Smiles to being displayed in Groups as they are allowed in other forums such as chat rooms and Blog sections (also consider the Magazine section too) as this can reduce miscommunications between members because of lack of expression. 3-Allow linking of Group topic postings as done in the Blog section. 4-Filtering of members posting queried by separating the Groups they belong too. Example: When clicking on the number of post made by a Group member, the following page shows all postings in all Groups the members belong too. A simple option radio button or check box on the members Group posting page could be used to sort the member's postings by Groups they belong to instead of only by the date and time. Example: Instead of the date and time being the primary key in a database, Group names would be set as primary key). 5-On Group Member Listing Page, add a last time (signed in to site) online date and Group posting numbers using suggestion #4 (Group members posting numbers and dates are a tool that many Moderators of Groups use; however, we Moderators of Groups do not have total access to members of our Group/Groups postings as we should or last date signed in to the site). 6-At one time there was a "watch Group" option for members to bookmark Groups they were interested in. It would be nice to have this feature back. 7-Allow customizing postings as done in the Blogs with adding Photos and Moods. 8-Add a link\links (next topic, previous topic) at the top of topic postings that would allow a reader to click on and go to the next topic or previous topic posting in a Group. This would eliminate having to go back to a Group description page and should also help in decreasing the amount of bandwidth used by reducing the downloading of an additional page. Example: Currently it takes 3 clicks to read two topic posting, by adding a next or previous link would cut it down to 2 clicks and would be one less page (Group description page and topic postings) being downloaded. 9-The site has changed the way that it works on smart cell phones. Members no longer have access to the Groups. They have given smart phones a shorter menu where you can get your e-mail and do only the "lets have sex tonight" features of the site. There are members that do not use those features as much as accessing the Groups they belong to. There are members that wish that the menu be placed back to how they were before for smart phones. Note: How this one took off here and how some members reacted about changing or doing away with both the Most Active Group Listings and the Most Active Group Listings. In addition, in my opinion there was abusive behavior displayed in regards to this system being changed or done away with within this Blog here by the CEO Andrew, and points out the abusive behavior in concerns to some members or groups being in those listings that can and has developed between Members and Groups. 10-There are many members that are not happy with the way the mathematical system is designed and used for the "Most Active last 30 days, with photos" posting members or used to calculate the most active Groups in the listing. In the opinion of many members and Moderators of Groups, this mathematical system is being abused by members with "spam postings" in threads in order to only increase their posting counts to push themselves into the Most Active posting member slots or push their Group up the Most active Group listings; furthermore, although this type of spam posting may be fun for some members it is and has become a competition that can, will and has caused group to group conflicts or member to member conflicts, also many members believe that this type of postings is devaluating the purpose of groups and has become selfishness of some members being on the front page as "Most Active last 30 days, with photo" member. Out of 6 members shown on the Groups Home Page 4 to 5 members have been on the front page of groups for several months, and it is from the example below of spam postings done in group threads. Example of spam posting done in Groups in topic threads (some are titled as a spam thread and spam posting is done consecutively with either one word posting and broken sentences). Post1- Hello you all Post2- My name is so and so. Post3- I am from Post4- The state of Georgia Post5- [b] and [/b] (use of font tag commands in order to work around the one word posting that are not allowed to being done) Post6- I am looking for. Post7-blah blah blah (to continue with next consecutive post) A-Possible Solution for Active Group Rating: Use total "Topic" (Discussion) postings for calculating the active Groups. This is what is on the Groups home page currently "Groups: 71,479 Members: 918,908 Discussions: 2,245,907" ; Groups are described and promoted by how many Groups, how many members belong to Groups and how many discussions (Topics) have been posted in Groups, not by how many total postings done by members of Groups. B-Possible Solution for Most Active last 30 days, with photo: Maybe consider a randomized display of the top 40 members every 30 seconds or rate them on the number of "Discussion" topic postings instead of the total posting counts. This may help in reducing the posting lags and allow other members to being noticed on the front page of Groups by other members; I believe that is one of the main objectives of the site is for members to notice other members or to be noticed by other members. Group Moderators suggestions, ideas and requests: 1-Add a member handle search on the page of banned member list page. It is quite difficult for Moderators of large Groups that have pages after pages of banned members to find a member to remove a banning from. 2-Add a check box next to members handles in the Moderators Group member listings for banning members (or removing a ban from members). 3-Add a "Bounce Member from Group" option instead of only having a Ban member option. Many members join Groups, but do not post in a Group or have not signed in to their accounts for a period of time, and as Moderators we only have one option and that is to ban a member. A "Bounce Member" would only remove the member from the Group and allow the member to re-join the Group on their own without a Moderator having to remove the banning upon a request, and standard members are either limited to email contacts or do not have that privilege to make a request to a Moderator, 4-Majority of Groups requires a member to introduce themselves to a Group they newly joined. There are a few ideas that members/Moderators came up with. A-Moderators want the power to pre-screen a new member before joining a Group and posting in it by way of a request to join the Group form. B-New members that join a Group would not be able to leave a Group for a 24 hour period of time. This idea is to avoid malicious members from causing abuse or disturbances to other members of a Group and give the Moderator a chance on banning a member; however, there is a loophole in the programming that prevents permanent banning of a member from a Group, will address it at the end in "known bugs" C-When a new member clicks on "Join this Group" have it directly link to "Post Message" for new member to post an introduction of themselves to the Group. If a new member fails to submit the "Post Message" they are denied access to joining the Group, posting in the Group or using the chat room designated to only members of a Group. This idea I came up with to solve three problems, ideas and request of Moderators. It will cut down on abusive members from joining and leaving a Group to cause disturbances with members of Groups, it will avoid members that join a Group to only using the chat rooms to interfere with the Group members that use them, and will help Moderators from having to spend time banning members from Groups for lack of even posting once in a Group and help produce more serious activity by members that join Groups; furthermore, idea C would require less coding in my opinion to implement than A or B. Addendum to C: Maybe even allow a small popup window after a new member post their introduction (first topic posting) with an optional welcome message by the Moderator welcoming them to their Group. 5-Adding an option button in the Moderator settings to turn off the "Voting" as how the Moderator has the option of turning off "Polls". 6-Adding an option for Moderators to being able to enable or disable the use of the Chat Room 7-Allow Moderators a way to prioritize or lock a posting on top of the board addressing their Group of an important announcement, or allow the Bold font command or Color Tags to being used again in the titles of Topic postings; I used this technique to grab my members of The Likeminded Ones attention in the past of importance to the Group and many other Moderators used it as a tool before as well. 8-Allow an option for Moderators to decide if their Group Chat Room should be listed on the Groups Home Page or Chat Home Page. Listing of active Group Chat Rooms can and are causing member conflicts in certain Groups. 9-Consider adding a way a Moderator can assign a member as a secondary Moderator to their Group. This can possibly be done if adding a feature that the primary Moderator can create a separate password different from their profile account and be given to another member; this will allow the other member they choose to access certain Moderator tools (delete and/or ban) that will allow that member they chose as secondary Moderator to use. Such as deleting a posting and banning a member if need be; in addition, I let it be where a Moderator can choose what features from the Group setting option page to be allowed being used by the secondary Moderator they chose if possible. This would also secure the Moderator account information/settings and etc… from the chosen secondary Moderator being able to access since their account password would not be the same; there are many Moderators and members that are sharing one account to moderate over large and active Groups. 10-Maybe also add a Moderator to non Group member invitation to joining their Group. This would help new and smaller Groups tremendously to becoming an active Group and cut down possibly on the "Non Active" dead Groups. 11-If a Moderator of Group decides to delete their account, the group should also be deleted that they moderated over if they did not send a Moderator Stepping Down Invitation in stead of the system choosing members from the group as a Moderator. If a member wants to Moderate a Group, they can create a Group of their own. Bugs known in the Programming of Groups in need of attention and resolving. 1-Moderators are unable to Ban a member fully from their group due to the Ban member being able to leave a group after being banned and rejoining that group. This has caused a lot of disturbances and abuse in several groups because of the inability the Moderator has to banning a member fully. I already suggested a way through a JavaScript that will disable the "Leave this Group" button upon a Moderator banning a member from their group. 2-There is a problem with Cross postings from one group going into another group. Primarily this bug has effected the "Local Groups" and not as much as the "Topical Groups". One member of Trillogy that is the Moderator of Bellingham Meet and Greet is having this problem in his group for reference and has reported it several times and has been going on for several weeks. Request Review of Group: The Request Review has become a weapon used by abusive members against several active groups in order to place a group in Denied status so the group will not be visible in the Most Active Groups Listings, Not to have topics appear in the Most Active Discussion listing to cause disturbance of members of groups, prevent some members of a group from being able to post in the group or members being able to join that group. Suggestion: Add a form for the member that Request a Group Review to give reason as to why they are requesting a review of that group for the Abuse Team to investigate before putting a group in a Denied status. If something is found that gives justifiable reason for a group to being denied, notify the Moderator of the group as to the reason so they can correct and address their group in concerns to the reason to avoid it from happening again; in addition, tag the member that requested the review for future reference, if the member reported a Group and nothing wrong was found in the group by the Abuse Team a notation should be kept for records as the reporting member could be an abuser of the Request Review button. This is a compilation of over one year of ideas, suggestions and experiences of many members of groups and Moderators of groups that have had discussions in concerns to improving on the groups not only for the benefit of only members but to be of benefit to you and your staff too.
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4/7/2006 9:33 am |
Yes, I agree with the request review button suggestion too, what good does it to hit request review on a group if no one can tell what is really wrong, and if someone is abusing that button then that would stop that from happening. I havent had any need for the 'request review' button myself, only one time and that was because I saw a group that had several posts by the moderator or a member that was asking/demanding phone numbers and addresses from female members, I hit request review and still months later nothing was done about it. It would be nice if the groups worked pretty much the same as the blogs. I think that is what alot of the suggestions here have been about....being able to do alot of things in the groups that you can already do in the blogs. I agree with dreamlover on the most active groups list being listed by 'how many discussions' there are in the group rather than total postings.
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please put the view function back the way it was before on the groups. it is kind of silly to have the View All page the same as the front page. change is bad.
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What?? ANOTHER useless argument about "spamming"? Way to go, guys: very classy. Since when do a handful of members have a right to dictate how millions of others use this site? Could you please tell me where anyone has or is "dictating" to others on the use of the site? Your use of this word of "dictate" (self defining in your wording)is saying that some or others are "issuing orders or commands" to other members. No one has done any such thing in these discussions; however and furthermore, what some have done here is ask for "fairness" in regards to the Active Group Listings or Most Active Member with photo listings and offered suggestions, ideas and opinions on having "fairness" in regards to all members and groups to being noticed. Is that so wrong to be "asking" for? Nick
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4/8/2006 2:45 pm |
What?? ANOTHER useless argument about "spamming"? Way to go, guys: very classy. Since when do a handful of members have a right to dictate how millions of others use this site?
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4/9/2006 2:12 am |
Andrew, please tell us what's up. Nothing has budged for two days. These people in my group are my Family. We need the groups up and running so that we can stay in touch. Please fix whatever is going on.
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4/10/2006 3:23 pm |
has anyone noticed that not a dayum thing is getting done ??? maybe its just me but i feel we been hoodwinked into believing these groups are getting more updates....what a load of crap we been fed !!!
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4/10/2006 7:26 pm |
well they added the associate member thingo and the polls.
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4/11/2006 7:46 am |
yeah my associate members list is like that too, or at least sometimes it is and sometimes it isnt..
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4/13/2006 2:16 pm |
i sing the ooooooo'd to myspace jammy jam so screw this site anymore !!! 4 minute page load ups and members pages mixed with whatever ass. pages is just plain cheap azz updates......Local Date get with the damn program / programmers already !!! this has been just pittyful !!!
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4/13/2006 5:29 pm |
I noticed that they added a way for us to link to topics in the groups now. The tag for it is located at the bottom of that topics page. Thanks.
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4/14/2006 11:51 am |
I have a funny feeling he has just not checked this post....his blog intro says he doesnt check his blog everyday, but he might be busy answering in his new posts..
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4/14/2006 8:11 pm |
lol moon, thats true most of the time. I noticed now that I went to ban the people who were in my associate members list that once you ban one person from the associate members list, the list will turn into the view all members list for some reason. and also now I cant chat in my chat rooms of the groups that I am a mod of, well except for one group. I dont know..there must be something going on somewhere...sounds like someone is poking around...hopefully they will get it fixed, soon.
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4/15/2006 11:09 pm |
moon, yeah it was about 3 months. I made another profile just so i could go into my own chat room...lol. seems my problem is fixed now as far as the chat room thing. but not the associate members list yet...was going to go and ban the associate members out, but cant now cause I cant trust the associate members list....lol.
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4/18/2006 7:06 pm |
I'd be happy if the posts would just show the same damn day they were posted... Yes, I AM GETTING A BUNCH OF NEW MEMBERS JOINING AND I CANT SEE WHO THEY ARE...... If your gonna advertise my group on that group page, then at least let me see who they are... Yes its been 1 week... it cant be that hard to fix that... It used to work !!!!!!! Moon
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4/19/2006 12:33 am |
well, I would love the enhancements if they worked correctly...lol.
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4/19/2006 12:36 am |
To be honest, I'm pretty much convinced they don't really care. For several days now, none of us have been able to see more than the first page of our member lists; the associate members "enhancement" has been full of bugs; posts have been disappearing at an alarming rate...and now, I find that I cannot even edit my group settings--I get thrown to a blank page. Actually, at first it will tell me that I have missing key words; if I try to put the keywords back in, THEN it throws me to the blank page. I have emailed Local Date several times about these issues. All I ever get is either an illiterate response from someone who is not very well versed in English, or a "thanks for your patience, our programmers are working on it" reply. WHAT PATIENCE? Am I REALLY supposed to believe they can't put things back to working the way they were before they started "improving" the groups, which has done nothing but just mess the groups up all to hell???
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4/20/2006 1:02 am |
I have a question! what is the maximum number of replies a thread can get? or is there one? I have asked this question in other groups and members have given me their statistics based on their own threads, but was wondering if there really is a maximum number?
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4/20/2006 9:59 pm |
It's my fault. Seems like every time I pull out the plastic and pay, the groups come to a screeching halt. I won't do that to all of you good people again. Now seriously...How can it be considered an improvement when the submission to appearance time for posts is between 6 and 48 hours? When about 25% of the posts never make it to the board? When customer service replies with some kind of dribble about clearing my temporary internet files and having to approve all profile changes? HUH??? How can that possibly cause posting delays? Regardless if the answers were misunderstandings or just blatant lies, they are WRONG, and that is not good for business. It's time to give up the real factors behind the problems. I think everyone knows there are problems, so stop feeding us BS through the CS department and fix it.
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4/22/2006 12:27 pm |
The site just needs to get another server or two for the groups. This shit happens every weekend, starting at about 3 in the afternoon, and it continues until some time late Monday afternoon. With the $$ that the site admits it makes, you'd think that they could invest in at least a few more servers for the Groups only. This will never go away until there is sufficient server capacity to handle the posts that are made over the weekend, when people have time to post. Oh - and I have seen many threads go to well over 40 pages without problems.
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4/23/2006 1:32 am |
Yep, not a single post since sometime on Friday afternoon. WTF is up? Why can't this site get it together? Do they not understand how important these groups are to us? These are our friends and our adopted families. GRRRRRRRRRR!
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4/23/2006 7:34 am |
Pardon me while I perform a little experiment. I am posting here in frustration of the site functionalities this weekend especially. My experiment is to test if this post appears here; because my posts, nor are anyone esle's, appearing in the groups.
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4/23/2006 7:39 am |
Well HELLS BELLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This post appeared in an instant!! As soon as I submitted and came back to the last page...........BOOM..........there it was!!!! So Mr CEO........what's up with this????? Why does it work here and not in the groups?? Perhaps I can exercise more patience and tolerance with some rational explanation?? *scratching my head* Signed: frustrated~
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4/23/2006 7:43 am |
Blow me down with a wet noodle!!! There it is again; instant posting! Perhaps we should run our discussion groups within this blog??? Would that get things fixed? Would it irritate the powers that be? Because this sites lack of functionality for the discussion groups is surely frustrating the heck out of me!
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4/23/2006 8:34 am |
Yea, They could at least do something about the clogged up posting problem. I called CS sunday morning about this, this is how much CS knows about this site. I gave him all the info bla bla... Told him "I WAS A MODERATOR OF A GROUP" explained about postings being at a stand still in all groups.. He asks me soooooo your waiting for approval on profiles? lol I said no, I explained it ALL again He says, "OK, let me get into the magazine section".. PLEASE!!! DO THESE CS PEOPLE NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A GROUP IS?????? EDUCATE YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MOON You got the same replies I got via email. What a load of crap!!! And, speaking of submitting comments by way of the "HELP" tab - Why must I hit submit comments THREE TIMES before my comments are actually transmitted? Simple answer is to reduce the number of comments/complaints that are received because folks don't realize they have to go through three screens. Pardon the blunt words, but that is a chicken shit way to handle customer feedback. You claim to want feedback, yet make it difficult to submit. Actions build perceptions, not words. My qualifications for saying that - I was formerly responsible for the customer satisfaction program at a 500-bed hospital. I would have fired anyone making it that difficult to submit ideas or complaints. So, here I am posting in the boss' blog when this should be handled by one of the employees. That is a very inefficient way to run any business. Be truthful about problems, empower employees to fix them, and honestly seek performance feedback.
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OMG .. Am I glad I found this blog .... I moderate Toronto BBW and I would really like to know why every weekend this site goes dormant for the postings ????? I am getting tired of telling the group members that I have no control on being able to ban members or not .. I can't view past page 1 in order to have some control of my group !! I posted to almost 20 threads on Friday and not one has shown up .. but yet new topics have been let through .. I posted a msg to the group yesterday and it still has'nt shown up !! Getting frustrated in Toronto !! HELP !!!!!!!!!
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4/23/2006 7:17 pm |
well somethings definitely been wrong this weekend. The groups main page keeps switching back to what it was friday or yesterday every other time I view it. the same with the threads on my groups page. the group chat rooms boot you out giving you an error message about it not being valid room name, even though you are the mod of it, and all. Things that I posted 36 hours ago never have shown up at all. I hope this problem gets fixed soon, otherwise I will go start a group on another site....I get tired of this every weekend, and I have seen lots of people have already posted that they are leaving the site completely, partially due to these problems.
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4/26/2006 1:25 pm |
about the amount of replies to a thread thing.........I think if a thread gets too many replies it will get sucked up in archive oblivion even if its been updated recently? I just had that happen to a thread of mine that has 128 replies, the last reply to it was on april 25th and its not on the main board, and the oldest updated thread that is on my board was updated on april 20th, so why it wandered off into the archives I will never know, unless it did it because it had so many replies? LOL.
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